So we are getting a Beagle puppy next Monday and he will be my little pup so I'm really excited and all BUT...
I asked the breeder what she was feeding the litter and the mom because the mom has (what I think) servere skin problems (very red and scaly skin) and the litter of pups, theur coat doesn't look very shiny but they don't have skin problems. Anyway, the breeder is feeding:
2/3 cup Pedigree adult large breed mixed with 1 1/4 cup Science Diet senior small breed and 2/3 cup Purina adult giant breed - SUPPOSEDLY suggested by her veterinerian.
She has been feeding that since the litter was 3 1/2 weeks old. Until they were 5 weeks old, it was slightly soaked with 125mL cold water and 100mL boiled coconut milk. By the way, there are 5 puppies in the litter but 2 died because the mom rolled on one and she ate the other.
Would a vet really suggest that kind of diet for a litter of Beagle puppies?
Question about what my Beagle breeder feeds the litter %26amp; mom dog?
It sounds very suspicious. Breeders are notoriously cheap and untruthful-they are in it for the buck and don't care if a few puppies die along the way because they profit so much from the live ones.
It sounds like the mother has Mange and that the puppies and she are both not getting proper nutrition and medical care. The fact that she ate a puppy shows that she is hungry and unstable and unhealthy. If she rolled over on one, she is being contained in a too small space. This is ANIMAL ABUSE. She is probably being overbred which makes her susceptible to disease.
Puppies need special food for their proper growtha and health which is why there is PUPPY FOOD, they need the extra FAT that is not in regular dog food.
Pedigree, Purina and most of the market brands are trash-mostly fillers and corn. Feed your puppy a mixture of puppy food and cooked chicken or beef. Go to a pet store and talk to someone knowledgable.
Take your puppy to the vet and tell that breeder to take the mom for medical attention. I would alert the authorities on her for abuse and backyard breeding. Call your local animal shelter so more dogs don't have to suffer and other puppies wont have to die because of such neglect and uncaring towards these animals. These people are cruel and irresponsible and need to be stopped.
Good luck with your puppy and remember that puppies need to chew so get him proper toys and chewies so he stays away from your shoes and other items.
Reply:FIND ANOTHER BREEDER QUICK!
No reputable breeder would breed a ***** who has skin issues such as you descrbed. I can't imagine ANY vet suggesting any large, giant or senior dog food for a small breed and her brood. You definately need to reconsider purchasing that puppy and look for an ethical breeder. Try looking for a breeder referal from AKC or the beagles club of america.
Good luck :)
Reply:Pedigree and Science Diet are crap foods. Are you sure you want to get a puppy from a mom that has severe skin problems? What if it's genetic??
Oh and most vets do recommend Science Death, because they are practically given it to sell so they make a huge profit off of it.
My vet actually sends patients/clients to one of his customers that does pet food delivery and is a certified K9 nutritionist.
Reply:We don't feed adult dog food to our Beagle pups. Use something that on the listing of ingredients states meat as there first ingredient, like lamb or something like that, and raw eggs mixed in there food will give them a shinier coat or even a little bacon grease which they love can get some shampoo for shiny coat , my Beagles look beautiful and shiny also soften food with warm water
Reply:Beagles are not a large breed dog and for any vet to recommend that a breeder purchase and mix three different brands of dog food is ridiculous! It sounds more like the breeder was feeding whatever brand of dog food was on sale that week. The skin problem sounds fishy, too.
Has it had it's first immunization? Was it dewormed? Was it's dew claws removed? Has a vet given it a health check? If the answers for these questions aren't "yes" to all, I'd seriously think twice before accepting one of these pups.
Reply:I agree with those who say not to take this puppy. There are some kinds of mange which are hereditary and awfully hard to get rid of.You should get your deposit back and, if there are problems, mention Consumer Affairs.Good luck but don't buy trouble.
Reply:I've been in the pet business for many years, the one thing I can tell you is "Science Diet" is "CRAP FOOD" it's barely digestible as you can tell from the dogs stools, they poop as much as they eat, which means it not being digested. I suggest you so called 'PUPPY MILL" breed er friend do is start feeding her dogs a GOOD Dog food, suitable for the size and age of the breed she has, Beagles are NOT "GIANT Breed " dogs. Secondly, stay away from that Vet! (Quack)!!!
Thirdly, always make sure a pregnant and breeder dog get fed "K-Zyme" http://www.vetamerica.com/index.asp?Page...
And last but not least, get your money back now and run with it. Your friend is not a reputable breeder. Her ***** should NOt have skin lesions, sores and sever exema
Reply:If you really have your heart set on this puppy then I would suggest that you ask to take it to your own vet for a health check before you pay the rest of the money and take the pup.
It may just be that the mother has a food allergy (which wouldn't surprise me given the diet!). Have you asked the breeder about her skin condition? If it was mange then I would expect at least one of the pups to be showing signs of it, but it could just as easily be a flea allergy, which means that the pups will have fleas.
If the breeder is not willing to let you have the pup checked independantly then I would definitely NOT be taking it home - a responsible breeder, whether large or small, would have no objection to this at all.
If your vet says that the pup is fundamentally OK then I would ask for a vetinary report on the mother's skin condition, just to make sure it is not hereditary, then take the little one home and feed it decent food :-)
I feed a raw food diet even to my weaning pups and they have such lovely soft and shiny coats (they are JRT's but have a similar coat type to beagles)
Reply:Science Diet is not crap food. My cat had to go on it for a short period of time to harden up his stools . . . it's fine. Purina on the other hand . .. .
but listen - really how much damage can crappy food do to a puppy?? Really ?? Once you get the puppy, you can switch to whatever your vet recommends. Think about alllll of the people that feed their dogs purina every single day of their life!
The coconut milk was providing the puppies the fat (that is probably missing from the food they are being fed).
Take the puppy to the vet, have him checked out and go from there. Tell the woman that if something comes back about the dog, you will be getting your money back (many breeders do this anyway and some want their dogs back if you ever decide you don't want it anyway . . .)
You should be fine. She doesn't sound reputable but many of them aren't . . .
Reply:I'd run away and not look back.
The mother has a skin disorder (which could very well be hereditary if she doesn't even know what it is!), the pups have crusty eyes (no, this is NOT normal), haven't had shots, dewclaws not taken care of, and have been fed a ridiculous diet. If they had actually had vet checks, why on earth would the vet not have given their shots, and taken care of their dewclaws???
I think this supposed "breeder" is lying through her teeth, and buying apuppy from her is just a disaster waiting to happen. $600.00 is a ridiculous price for a Beagle puppy to begin with, more less one that could have all kinds of problems.
Reply:WOW, she sounds like a backyard breeder to me.
I feed mom and puppies
Solid Gold or Timberwolf Organic's
with the addition of RAW.
No dog except one that is 7yrs + should eat any amount of senior food. and only LARGE BREED dogs should eat large breed food. Small dogs need a much higher protein then what senior's and large breed dogs require.
and as someone mentioned Pedigree and Purina is crap food. Science Diet isn't far up on the crap list eiether.
coconut milk is horrible to feed for human or dog it can cause severe bowel troubles as it's a natural stool softner. and does not provide the proper nutrition needs.
The only diet a puppy needs is PUPPY FOOD, and it doesn't have to be wet down either. at 3-1/2 weeks they should be rolling it around in their mouth to get a taste, and by 4 weeks they should be crunching down on it.
Lack of proper food during gestation and the first 8 weeks of life can be detrimental on a puppies health. From having allergies, to continual skin problems that need constant care, to skeletal problems.
Keep in mind that even if you bring this puppy home and change it's diet... most of these problems will not arise until 6-24 months of age.. so you are really buying a ticking time-bomb.
The foods I feed are spendy.. but compared to my lack of vet bills because my dogs/puppies are healthy... well you do the math ;)
The fact the mother ate one of the puppies suggests that there is a severe diet problem. mother dogs do not eat their young. And i've found that they usually only roll on them when there is a health problem with the puppy, that can be later found in an autopsy.. which this breeder wouldn't bother with i'm sure.
First shots should be given at 8 weeks (I follow a modified regime of vaccinations to avoid vaccinosis and other negative complications from vaccinating). Most people give first shots at 6 weeks though.
Dew-claw removal is a breeders choice, and it has to be done within the first 3-4 days of life or it is considered surgery. I personally keep dew-claws on, as dachshunds are diggers and they use them for digging. Pugs it would depend on you, if you were on the waiting list before birth you should have had a say wether or not your puppy kept theirs.
My honest opinion would be to cut your losses and buy from a diffrent breeder.
you are going to be spending about triple the $200 deposit, just in vet bills when you get this dog.
Next time I would suggest visiting the breeder before putting down the deposit, talk with them about past litters, health care, diet and ask if they have a contract. If a breeder doesn't have a contract.. well they obviously can't guarantee their puppies health.
Reply:Mixing all that food together is not good for the mother or the pups. And no, I do not think a vet would recommend that kind of diet for a pregnant or nursing bi tch or any kind of puppies.
Personally, I would not get a pup from this breeder. I've never dealt with Beagles, but I've also never heard of giving a dog or puppy coconut milk or 3 different kinds of food. Goats milk maybe in a pinch or for a pup that isn't thriving.
Do you have her vet's information? If she is a reputable/responsible breeder, her vet records should be open to anyone interested in her dogs or pups!
Reply:i don't think it is the food with skin problem, what
is the enviroment like they are in? and how many litters does the breeder have at one time and how big of area dothey have? however i would
only feed one brand of food, and spread it out evenly
over 3 meals unitl about 6-8 months old and then 2
times a day and when they are year you can do once,
but i do two with my dog, look at the label of the
food for portions i use nutro and use puppy food until
about a year old and don't give wet if you can okay
for a treat once in a while though, and i can't STRESS
ENOUGH, schedule a vet appt. even before you get them,
get them in ASAP and they will have even more info
then i can provide, feel free to continue to ask me and i will let you know all that i know, but don't take only my word, the actual vet is much better, i can't tell you as much as i use
to know as it has been like 3 or 4 years since i got
the certificate but in high school mind you, took a
vet class and had an internship and recieved my
certificate and now i work at a dog daycare and
boarding facililty, so my word is valuable but not
nearly as valuable as a vets please let me know about
the skin condition, i would surely like to know, and i see you said 7 weeks, ooooooooooo, try taking them at home at 8 weeks, they should never leave their mom before 8 weeks of age, i didn't bring mine home till about 9 weeks, let their mom teach them as much as possible
oh yeah use puppy food, like nutro puppy, not large breed or senior, but use that until she is about 6-8 months old and then change to adult food (regular food, it may or may not say adult on the package) when she becomes 10-12 months old
and yes next time don't go through that breeder, always check out the puppy's mom and dad and surrondings first before deciding, but i can understand now that the puppies are born who is going to give them a home right? your going to be busier than i first thought
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